Trump is a traitor who won’t defend the integrity of his own country’s election system from Russian election hackers. Think about that. After the indictment of thirteen Russians Friday, Trump is now literally assisting them in a cover-up if he fires Mueller. He is also now colluding with them in real time if he fails to do anything to the purpose of securing the country against future election attacks in 2018 and 2020–or resists deeper inquiries into Russian election hijacking.
What do the Russians have on Trump that makes him want to protect them and not us? And patriotism-wise, why aren’t conservative losing their minds over this? What kind of leader protects himself and another nation against his own nation, downplaying and resisting even basic inquiry? Since 2014 the Russians have been working to upend our democratic republic.
Trump’s electoral college margin was achieved by a swing of just 70,000 votes in three states, and so it is that we now literally have Putin’s president, and not our own, installed in office. In other words, 2016 was not a fair fight–its scales were tipped by Russian interference–and so everyday that Trump now casts shade on Mueller or resists inquiry into that interference is an act of collusion.
Put another way, it’s increasingly apparent that Russian and American oligarchs have been colluding to destroy our democracy. One of those oligarchs is Trump. And it looks like they might well succeed. We thus need to vote in 2018–all of us. Only by Democrats taking back Congress will we arrest this terrible rot that is currently plaguing our democratic system of government. Trump is a Russian wolf in sheep’s clothing. He will not protect us. Patriotic Democrats must step-up, run for office, and vote.
Prometheus Unbound 
My God if they would only look at Mexican interference in the last election the prisons would be overwhelmed.
But who would lock them up after we looked into the FBI’s interference with the last election?
So just to be clear, Andrew, you don’t want Mueller fired, and if Trump fires Mueller or otherwise hinders or fails to defend the country against Russian election interference, he’s violating his oath of office, is a traitor, and should be impeached, is that right?
If you want to look at the true traitors, look at Obama, Clinton’s, Bush Family Cartel, etc.
You do not have a clue what you are talking about……….you watch to much FAKE NEWS!
Trump Jr proves that people in the inner circle of the Trump campaign were more than willing to collude with the Russians. The FBI using their own planted sources as justification for the investigation at the behest of the Democrats. It’s basically foreign state vs deep state. There are no clean hands here, and it’s a matter of which form of corruption you think is less destructive (though I guess there could be a different standard of selecting between the two). The narrative that Trump is clean and innocent, or that this is just an honest investigation by people seeking to protect the country, both are foolishly naive, but sadly the common views by partisans.
More could be said for why I find the Trump / Russia corruption the lesser of the two evils, but accepting the premise that this is a battle between competing dirty political systems is first and foremost to any productive discussion happening on this topic.
You need to get out more, Santi. The only serious Russian collusion in the last election was generated by the Hillary campaign via the Russian Dossier. While you are taking a break from the propaganda of CNN, also check out the sale of the rights to a quarter of our uranium supply to Russia by the Obama administration (notably, by Hillary) in a massive influence-peddling scheme.
Whether you check it out, or not, the truth is coming out, and it is only a matter of time before many DNC, FBI, DOJ, and even CIA political hacks are going to Jail, Mueller among them — maybe even Obama whose involvement in the scandal was recently revealed.
I will save comments on the massive voter fraud in democrat districts for another time.
LXX
Bravo! Thank you for standing for the truth.
Andrew,
Your deep state nonsense defames the general professionalism of the FBI and FBI agents. Mueller is a Republican Vietnam vet. If you’re going to frame this as Conspiracy A (deep state Democrats) vs. Conspiracy B (Russia) then you’ve already lost it. Your position in defense of Trump’s treason amounts to no defense at all.
Dude, you’ve got a bunch of other people here telling you that you’re deep into an echo chamber narrative. I made no actual defense of Trump (the corruption of the FBI does not mean that Russian collusion did not happen in the same way an idiot holding a position does not make that position wrong). Seeing the political parties flip-flop on who is attacking versus defending the FBI, law enforcement, and the like is somewhat hilarious. I grant that you are consistently pro-institutional power and expert authority, while I am universally wary of it. The winds are not blowing your way however, so learn to argue for these institutions more effectively or look into whether you’re mistaken to trust them.
Andrew:
The flip-flopping of parties in defense of the FBI is independent of the objective fact: most FBI agents are professionals doing their job in a professional manner, supporting the rule of law in a democratic republic. To cast the FBI as part of a “deep state” weaponized against Trump by liberal bogeymen (Obama, the Clintons, etc.) is, aside from being a grotesque caricature, factually inaccurate. And you refer to collusion in the past tense, but it’s not collusion in the past tense that I asked you about, but collusion in the present tense. I asked you straightforward questions: do you want Mueller fired, and if not, then if Trump fires Mueller or otherwise hinders or fails to defend the country against Russian election interference from this point forward, do you agree that he is violating his oath of office, is a traitor, and should be impeached?
I’d like to professionally decline to answer any more of your professional questions, as in my professional opinion you are beyond help.
Well, Andrew, make light of rational professionalism like Mueller’s as a goal, but it’s the ethos that forms the basis for rule of law in liberal, democratic republics. The alternative is an ethos of self-interested, passion-driven administration of laws–or carrying out the whims of an authoritarian who claims as mandate the “will of the People” and traffics in evidence-absent conspiracy theories (“I’m fighting unspecified conspirators in the deep state,” etc.).
Kant said, “Enlightenment is man’s release from his self-incurred tutelage. Tutelage is man’s inability to make use of his understanding without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude! ‘Have courage to use your own reason!’- that is the motto of enlightenment.”
This is exactly what Trump attempts to subvert by removing reason from self-direction (Mueller’s independent self-direction) and the realm of evidence gathering (again, Mueller’s mandate), placing it instead into the realm of conspiracy theory (a place where facts don’t matter and you simply have to trust the leader–experiencing a tutored reason). Fortunately, Mueller is a reason-based man trained in evidence collection and evaluation–a man of the Enlightenment–and he will thus follow the evidence where it leads, untutored by Trump’s direction. And so my question remains for you: do you want the man of the Enlightenment (Mueller)–the man untutored by Trump’s reason and devoted to evidence gathering–to be fired by Trump, and do you want Trump to then take no action to protect the integrity of our elections from Russian interference?
One last gift. A chance to realize how far your head is up your ass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvlrnWWYBKA
Andrew,
Well, fog up the issue as you please, but you’re dodging the two simple questions I asked you, and the signal in the noise is that Mueller is a rationalist–a man of untutored reason, pursuing evidence wherever it leads–while Trump is an irrationalist, indifferent to sustained reason and evidence. And Trump naturally combines his irrationalism with a fondness for authoritarianism–the two do, after all, go naturally together–and so it is that Trump hopes others will relate to him in a childlike manner, not as adults, willfully giving their reasoning over to him, taking tutelage from him.
So if you care about the survival of the Anglo-French Enlightenment in America, you’ll care about whether Mueller remains empowered to complete his investigation–and whether an authoritarian country like Russia is permitted to go on hijacking our election processes.
Why is it so hard for you to answer the Mueller question and the Russian interference question? Do you want Trump to fire Mueller, and do you want Trump to go on doing nothing of substance to block the hijacking of American elections?
Andrew,
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can say that the theatrical bullying of an elderly woman is wrong and idiotic, and I can also say that Mueller’s epistemology is Enlightenment oriented–geared toward non-tutelage and evidence gathering–and as such his investigation should not be arrested by an anti-Enlightenment, fog-generating irrationalist like Trump. I can also say that the right of the American citizenry to exercise its agency to select its own leadership is what Isaiah Berlin would call positive liberty–and this positive liberty was hijacked by Russian interference in 2016. Won’t you join me? Why is it seemingly impossible for you to say that Mueller should stay and the American citizenry’s right to positive agency (positive liberty) via regular, non-hijacked elections is a fundamental human right in need of protection?
I also can walk and chew gum. The lesson intended for you to take from those videos was how universally large powers attempting to use propaganda to influence foreign elections is, most notably by ourselves. To view that as “hijacking American democracy” is to belittle the American public, who have already been exposed to endless forms of propaganda anyways. No, I don’t think that Muller is an adult here. Trump is a fool, only enabled to win only by the blatant corruption that Clinton engaged in almost openly. To think that I should suddenly defend institutions that I’ve continuously been against just to try and oust Trump? I have more of a standard than that.
Again to your credit, you’ve always been in love with institutional power had had a reverence for proclaimed experts, but you were also always wrong on this and merely continue to be now. That you see clear continual Russian interference and collusion with the administration based on… well I don’t even know what, since there’s been no actual evidence suggesting such, while simultaneously having dismissed the clear obstruction of justice by Clinton when she had a large portion of her emails purposefully destroyed, shows where your hypocrisy lies.
I didn’t vote for Trump, and it remains to be seen who I’ll vote for in 2020, but you sir are a partisan hack. I say that not to offend, but because you need to realize that the rest of the country laughs at California the same way you might laugh at Alabama flat Earthers. Nobody actually buys the conspiracy BS that network and cable television are pushing. Go listen to the other longer video I posted, and wake up to the truth that you have fallen into a cult mentality, that uses claims of virtue and authority as a means of telling you that you are “defending American Democracy” by buying into their bullshit.
Andrew,
I have a busy week ahead, but I’ll do my best to watch the longer video you refer to. : )
Hello,
All of the above discussion to me is irrelevant. I just can’t imagine how a man like Trump became president. He has no stature of leadership. He seems to only be guided by his pocketbook and penis. He is a degenerate. He is crude, is of low moral nature, has no respect for the dignity of women and minorities, has low intelligence, low use of the English language, does not inspire loyalty for people to want to follow him, and has no insight into the workings of the world and their governments. I cannot see how he will complete his first term in office. Thank God for a man like Muller. If Muller isn’t his downfall I can only hope the American people will come to their senses in the 2018 elections.
Well, I certainly agree with you. : )